when you're talked of india, that's a different story all together. i.s.i. and india have always been a confrontationist course since our independence so don't talk of that. that's a different issue all together. here we are talking of i.s.i. abetting or being complicit with al qaeda and taliban who have killed 4,000 of our soldiers. who has killed 4,000 army men of pakistan? who has killed about 300 i.s.i. people? who has done that? some canadians? (laughter). >> jon: can i say this? can i say this? canadians are a ruthless people. (cheers and applause) i would not put it past them. all right, we're going to take a commercial break. when we come back, more from pervez [ male announcer ] introducing mgd 64 lemonade. 64 calories of beer with a refreshing lemonade twist. because the best kind of lemonade, is beer lemonade. new mgd 64 lemonade. refreshingly light. (cheers and applause). >> jon: we're back with pervez musharraf. sir, now, our country right now, we need each other, clearly we need each other in this region, especially since we have a plan. and i